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♪ ♪ this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news tonight, rupert murdoch tweets "ben and cass deterrific. what about a real terrific -- what does a media mogul really mean about this? i want to read this tweet. it says ben candy carson, terrific. what about a real black president that can properly address the racial diindividual.
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>> there have been questions of this president's race and his legitimacy in office. we don't know if that's what murdoch is implying here but it sure sounds like it. i see people flabbergasted by this comment from one of the biggest media moguls in the world. they are confirming this is his twitter account. once in a while he steps into hot water. this is the kind of tweet that's in a whole other league. this is the kind of thing he's going to have to explain and respond to. >> and how old is rupert murdoch? >> 84 years old. and he once of the most powerful men in the media world. >> it seems to be questioning the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the obama administration, especially dealing with race. he said "read new york magazine
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for minority disappoint us with potus. >> it's an interesting article talking about whether the president has disappointed african-americans, whether the president has done enough for african-americans. you've had that conversation here on the program before but the tone of the tweet, and we all know 104 characters things can get taken out of contacts, but the way murdoch wrote that tweet, "real black president" -- >> that's right. we know carson is the only african-american president. we know murdoch is supportive of carson, has conservative tendency. he's a republican cane maker and has been for decades. to have this tone, i think there's a lot of people shocked. >> i want to bring in "the
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washington post"'s phillip rucker and republicans strategic rich wilson and gabriel sherman. van, what's your take on this? is he saying barack obama is not a real black president? >> first of all, it's just completely outrageous and disgusting that someone in charge of fox news who has done more to undermine president obama than any outlet in hume history would break breath to open his mouth to say anything about what this president has done or not done for anybody. it's just completely disgusting. and then also to prohibit the blackness of the president -- we are now seeing the donald trump effect effect the entire landscape. this is the juvenile crap that if someone said that against
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someone in junior high school, it would not be appropriate. how can you have someone like rupert murdoch questioning the ethnicity of the president? >> van, you are quoted in here. what did you mean? >> i meant the same thing that you and i have talked about many times on this show and many other places. that he got put in a certain corner and certain box where he wound up speaking about race for some years less than bill clinton and george w. bush. now murdoch going to take those quotes from people and use that against this president and do this divide and conquer nonsense
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to put a black doctor, ben carson, against a black president. in is the kind of divide and conquer nonsense that's been going on for centuries. he should be ashamed of himself. this president has done everything he could do in the face of rupert murdoch. if rupert murdoch cares about black people, he should tell the peop people he does because you sure can't tell from fox news. >> this picture, in reference to the picture they said "in a country whose basic genetic bluepri blueprint includes the same crooked mute tagues that made slavery and jim crow possible, surrounded by black aides on
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marine one without paying a price. the first black president could only do so much and say only so much on behalf of other african-americans. that is the bittersweet irene of the first black presidency. >> rupert murdoch has been vocally critical of donald trump. he told roger ailes to tone down the pro trump rhetoric. you can look at it as a way of damaging trump because carson and trump along with carly fiorina are three of the outsider candidates. so murdoch's tweets in a certain way can be seen as trying to
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boost carson at the expense of donald trump. >> he is known for not holding his tongue or at least his fingers when it comes to writing on twitter. >> i do think a lot of this is about his genuine admiration for ben carson. i think what we're parsing here is the word real. and it is fraught, it is definitely controversial. this is reflected on the broader series of things about his admiration of murdoch. has it caused a little explosion tonight? you bet. it's also of interest to me that this is a president who has always had a slightly different racial experience and racial narrative, even if his own books from a lot of african americans and so i think that this is a -- this peels back a little complex window in our society right now, not only on how president obama has been bounded in some of the
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things he's done in terms of race but also in terms of the landscape of having a highly accomplished african-american who comes from a much more traditional narrative in the form of ben carson in the presidential race on the republican side. >> phillip rucker, they also talk about the irony of having a black lives matter movement under a black president. talking about police officers and said that has given rise to a whole movement defined by three words and the #blacklivesmatter. that's one of the fundamental paradoxes of the obama presidency. your man is in office and you have this whole movement asserting black people's humanity. what do you make of that? >> i think it's been really interesting the past couple of months to see how the black
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lives movement has shaped the presidential race on the democrat being side. it's been very vocal with bernie sanders, hillary clinton, they've had some difficult matters with black rights activists and i think that's going to continue into the fall as they deal with some of these lingering issues regarding police activity and other injustices in society. >> van, i want to respond to this, that there has to be a black rights movement under a black president. you get what the writer is saying. >> that movement is appropriate and effective -- >> but i think the assertion is that there shouldn't have to be a black lives matter movement under a black president. >> well, listen, i get the irony but the reality is there has had to have been a black lives matter movement in some form or another for 300 years in the united states. and the idea that just putting
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an african-american in the white house was going to somehow fix all black problems is not something any serious people entertain. there are two things happening here. there is a very thoughtful, very, very interesting article written by someone who is serious and there is a horrible tweet written by somebody who should be ashamed of themselves. i'm happy to talk about the nuances of that article but i'm not happy to give a free pass and pretend that what rupert murdoch just did has anything to do with helping black people. it's divide and conquer. in our community if you have one drop of black blood, you get to be in. frankly, if you're an m & m, you get to be in. we are not exclusive -- >> >> how about rachel dolzar.
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>> fox news has been an enemy of black struggles since it started. for him to put himself as the arbiter is -- president obama is doing more for black people than rupert murdoch ever has. >> when we come back, we're going to talk about the latest polls, what the polls say about this race, plus what's behind the unexpected rise of bernie sanders and could he be the surprise to everyone at this debate? (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like...
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rupert murdoch tweets this moments ago, "ben and candy carson, terrific. what about a real black president that can properly address the racial divide and much else? that tweet is throwing this race into a turmoil, meaning the political race. joining me on the phone is cnn's senior political reporter. everyone will get in on this. john king is with us as well. thank you for nia, i want to go to you first. this is ben carson talking about race i think it was this summer. >> they want to shut us up completely. that's why the attacks against me have been so rough because i represent an existential threat
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to them. they can't find anything to delegitimize me so they take my words, misinterpret them and make it seem that i'm a bigot. >> reporter: and you're attacked also because of your race. a lot of white liberals just don't like it, do they? >> they're the most racist people they are. they put you in a little category, a little box. you have to think this way. how could you dare come off the plantation. >> so that was on mark levin's show. he made very similar comments when he visited harlem earlier this summer. nia, you said this pretty succin succinctly captures were carson is so popular. his blackness makes him the first anti-obama. >> yes, i think that has been
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sort of the underlying story of people like ben carson and herman cain and there has been a desire, particularly in this obama era for the gop to have their version of obama. and i think a carson definitely taps into that. and we've seen this from time to time, there have been, for instance, a draft movement for colin powell, there's still a draft movement for conde rice. the argument has always been that this drives white people crazy and then you hear black people using words like plantation and carson recently said something that black people are starting to think for themselves and in that way might support his candidacy. this has been an ongoing, sort of underlying theme when it comes to a particular brand of
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black conservatives and carson certainly fits into that, so does herman cain and people like alan west fit into that, too. that's part of his rise. on the part of republicans, it's to have their version of obama, have a black republican would also certain as a intrinsic critique of liberal hitism. carson talks about his mom didn't rely on the government but she told me to concentrate on reading and writing and my studies. >> you said this speaks to the republican party but have i too ask game and then brian, gabe first because you've covered and
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written extensively about fox news. really the head here, the person who owns the company tweeting out something like this? >> well, i think the rhetoric is not far beyond what you see on fox news. so i don't think it should come as a shock to people. but i do -- i think it is fascinating. we should point out that ben carson was a fox news contributor before he became a presidential candidate. so he has been part of the fox news machine and become a fox news celebrity. the rhetoric is controversial but i'm not shocked that rupert murdoch would use these types of words in the context of carson because carson has been part of the fox news universe. >> that's an interesting point. i just talked to a source very close to murdoch who says this isn't about obama, this is about carson. we know he's been supporting carson for months.
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regardless of houw we feel abou the tweet, this might get the attention off of carson about an embarrassing situation, suggesting that he would have been brave enough to rush the gunman. that was a pretty bad story line for him. it might be good for carson as the anti-obama. >> i want to bring in cnn's john king. you covered the obama election, you have covered the polls and you have covered fox news as well and their effects on the gop. do you think this has more to do with donald trump or more to do with this man's affinity for ben carson. >> it had absolutely nothing to do with the incumbent president of the united states, then why would you type the words "why to
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the get a real black president." you are asking for this conversation when you type those words. we all understand whatever we think of mr. murdoch, he is a very, very smart man who chooses his words carefully and tends to know what he means. ben carson -- he's an 84-year-old man who is using social media, the new thing here. even though he owns newspapers and tv stations, it was just a couple of weeks ago i believe when he was on vacation off the great barrier reef that bloomberg should get into the race. >> that's right. >> he's trying to drive a conversation. whether he enjoys it as the head of the media umpire, or enjoys it as a citizen, i'm not so sure. but he's enjoying that without a doubt. >> van jones, i wanted to talk a little bit about the article and
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then can you respond. because it talks about some of the leaders of the black lives matter movement and how they have been somewhat critical of the president. this one is -- elisa garza -- everything and nothing has been about rate for the last eight years. she looks at the deaths of young black men and says too often, she says, he, meaning president obama, uses the occasion not to push for greater accountability but to push the narrative that black people should behave more responsibly. is there some truth? and another says "obama has a famous swag. it's a signal he sends with this walk that says i got this. he had it with trade, with immigration, with health care, but he doesn't have it when he talks about race." van? some truth? >> listen, there is some truth
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in that statement certainly in the middle years of the obama journey. there was a time when after that beer summit, you remember skip gates was arrested in his home, an african-american famous professor arrested in his own home for being in his own moment and the president said that was fool esh. he got a big backlash from that and after the president was too silent for many years on the issue of race. he did talk about it in terms that made it seems like in black kids just pulled their pants up, jobs would fall down from the sky. but he has changed quite a bit since trayvon martin. the whole country has moved on this and so has the president. i don't think it's bad to have a discussion about race and the president's relationship and how it has changed over time. i think it's terrible for rupert murdoch to jump in and be the
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arbiter on who is black and who is not when he has been such a destructive force. i think eleisa garza -- they ar right to raise the question, what about us. >> it goes on to talk about that moment with skip gates. he said that police act foolishly. he says his advisers wished they had not had that meeting. they wish he would have come out and say what i meant to say was they behaved damn foolishly. i a i want to talk about the polls. donald trump, this is for you. this is carson on the debt ceiling appearing. he spoke at the marketplace about the economy and the debt limit and it's a very interesting conversation. i want you to listen and then we'll talk about it.
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>> i would provide the kind of leadership that says get on the stick, guys, and stop messing around. and cut where you are need to cut because we're not raising any spending limits period. >> i'm going to try one more time, sir. this is debt that's already obligated. would you not favor increasing the debt limits to pay the debts already incurred? >> what i'm saying is what we have to do is restructure the way that we create that. if we continue along this, where does it stop? it never stops. >> kai ryssdal, i mispronounced that. >> the debt limit is something unfortunately congress has to go through every year because of existing debt the united states has to pay. in the long term there would be less long-term debt if you had
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more spending discipline in washington and didn't run annual deficits but the two are quite different. he's dead right as a conservative to say he wants spending limits in washington, that's a strongly held conservative position that washington should spend less money but that's not directly related to the idea that the united states owes billions of dollars in debt and you have to pay it and when you have to pay it, washington has to go through this annual exercise.
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the race for the white house definitely heating up tonight. i want to pick one of those people from our panel, john king, is cnn's national correspondent. john, we saw donald trump cam panning in iowa today. it looks look he had a spring in his step. that can only mean one this evening because he likes the polls, the new polls are good for donald trump. he has a reason to be happy,
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right? >> he was. donald trump is an avid consumer of the polls and especially when he's winning. listen to him here today, he likes to talk about it. >> we're killing everybody. we're winning by many, many points. you have a senator and an ex-governor. you had 17, one d-- now we have 16. that's pretty good. >> that is pretty good. there you see trump at 28 in florida. governor bush is at 12, senator rubio is at 14. in their home state, donald trump is crushing them at the
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moment. dr. carson is second in all of these states. pennsylvania 23% for trump, 17 carson, 12 rubio. it's important to note these are three key battleground states. they vote later in the primary process. so these number could change based on what happens in aiowa and new hampshire. trump has plateaued a little bit. if you're one of those people who thought he would flame out right away, if he struggled in iowa, maybe things would change. yes, he has some weaknesses and high unfavorable ratings but for the moment he is the lasting force and the leading force without a doubt. >> i want to bring back in gabe sherman, phillip rucker, van jones, rick wilson into this conversation. this one is for you, rick, because donald trump is
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dominating in three battleground states. i want you to listen to marco rubio doing his best to downplay these numbers. >> they don't really matter very much. polls are polls. what's going to matter is what voters are willing to do in early february, that's what we're aiming for. >> it's not good when the candidates are trailing in their home states. >> right now the trump decision is one that's disconnected from the end of the primary window. the velocity of trump's numbers has tipped downward. the vector they're following on his unfavorables, particularly as voters start to approach the real decision of who is going to post up against hillary clinton, the fact that in their home
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states jeb bush and marco rubio do very well against hillary clinton, donald trump much less so. we're going to find as we go on voters will start to make decisions based not just on the passionate fervor but they're going to make more rational decisions about the direction of the country and the quality of leadership they need. the reason trump's velocity has slowed down so much is people saw in the last debate and they've seen on the trail that this guy shoots from the lip all the time and it's one thing to consider that refreshing and new and an outsider. it's another thing to consider it a political case of terret's syndrome without any consequence or rational. >> you sat down with donald
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trump. he talked about the next phase of his campaign. what's up his sleeve? >> he's actually developing a fairly traditional campaign going forward. he's going to start to air television ad, he's going to be discussing policy. some of it will be in a book he has coming out in october. his wife and daughter will try to soften his image with winning voters. these are the steps a serious candidate would make when they're looking to grow their piece of the pie here. he's going to stay himself and his personality will stay the same but operationally they're tactically doing some of these steps that everyone else will do. >> the democratic debate tuesday october 13th live from las vegas. bernie sanders will be at our debate and two of his biggest fans are fellow vermonters, the
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not only is bernie sanders doing well in the polls, he is packing in big crowds in his campaign rallies. thousands turned out in springfield, mass. on saturday. take a look at this. >> this campaign is doing just a little bit better than some of the established pundits thought we would. >> big cohen, fellow vermonter, co-owner of ben & jerry's ice cream is a supporter. how are you doing? >> pretty good. >> did you hear the tweet. >> rupert murdoch? and what do you think about it? >> i think it's absurd. it's a ridiculous idea. what did he say? obama's not black enough?
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>> well, he didn't quite say obama's not black enough, he said ben and candy carson terrific. what about a real black president who can properly address the racial divide and much else. >> i think he addressed it as much as any president can. i think that the racial divide needs to be addressed by the country as a whole and he's done a great job as the leader but it's something the entire country needs to address. >> and you think bernie sanders is the real thing and can deal with all things, including race. tell us why you're endorsing his run for president. >> you know, i've seen him here in vermont for the last 30 years. i've seen his run for mayor that nobody ever thought he would win and he won. i've seen him run for house against established democrats and win again. i've seen him go up against a
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multi-millionaire and win for senate. the reason why he wins is because he's talking about the issues that people care about. he doesn't talk political speak. he talks in language that people can understand about, you know, for instance how you're not making any money. the value of the wages that people are being paid is going down while 90% of the wealth for the last ten years is going to top 10%. there's something really wrong when that happens and what bernie is talking is about systemic change. and, you know, that's why this political revolution is developing around him. >> he appears to be getting the $1, $5, $10 donors, the young
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people, is that enough money to go up against a well-oiled clinton machine? >> you know, he's getting money from young people, old people and, yeah, he's gotten money from over 650,000 americans an average of about $30 apiece. and that's what democracy is supposed to be about, that huge masses of people, each giving a little. when you hear his message, people are drawn to him. and he doesn't need as much money as, say, hillary needs because he's so authentic and because the programs that he's offering answer people's needs. he's willing to go up against wall street. she's financed by wall street. >> so let's talk about it. this is a big opportunity for him. cnn's democratic debate is next week in las vegas. this could be the first time
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that many voters are introduced, really know about him. what do you expect from him as far as performance? >> well, he's really looking forward to showing the american people who he is, to explaining his vision for america and for talking about the differences between him and hillary. i mean, his longstanding history of working for the working person, his longstanding opposition to all of these various trade deals, nafta, kafta, ttp thpp that hillary ha supported over the years. i heard she has just changed. i couldn't think of how huge of differences are between hillary and bernie. i think people will come to see
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ultimate flora. more power to your gut. we're back with our breaking news. a lot to digest here. this is a quote from rupert murdoch tonight, "ben and candy carson terrific. what about a real black president who can properly address the racial divide." >> ariva, you said you wanted some diversity in gender in this panel so here we are. consider what has been mentioned about the new york magazine article. what do you make of this? >> i'm concerned when anybody questions president obama's blackness or authenticity as an african-american. that issue has been put to bed so i'm troubled by the tweet. and ben carson, i understand
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he's leading, he's the second in the gop polls, but i have some real questions and concerns about him, particularly given his latest statement about the victims in that community college shooting, suggesting those victims should have attacked the shooter or done more. it just says to me i don't think he's ready to be the leader of the united states and to be the president if he doesn't have more empathy around victims and what happened in that situation. real concerns about him, black, white, doesn't matter his color. >> the question is is this an appropriate conversation maybe for twitter or is it something you put out in -- i'm playing devil's advocate here. what if he says is what i meant is a real black president for america? that's a real difference. >> he said what he wanted to say. if he backs away from it now or tried trice to explain it away,
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you can't read that tweet as what he said. he was suggesting what he wanted to against obama. that was the way it was read. >> go ahead, van. >> part of me is this idea that drives me crazy. you have people who call themselves conservatives and they say i don't even see color, i'm color blind and they say, hey, you black kids, you pull your pants up. wait a second. i thought you said race doesn't matter at all yet they're the first to come in and do this divide and conquer stunt. people are really, really outraged. there's a whole thing that happens in the black community, don, and everybody knows who's black and who's not, whether you're talking about skin color, cultural affect. that's a very charged issue in
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our community. for someone like him -- fox has been such a horrible opponent for blacks. for him to drive his limousine and to be the arbiter to determine who is black and who is not is outrageous. >> we wouldn't see that tweet if there was a white president. we wouldn't see him tweeting about now there's time for a white president so it's really insensiti insensitive. >> so when you look at some of ben carson's comments on race, he's saying he thinks african-americans rely on the democratic party too much because he calls it a plantation. those are his words, not mine. he says he getting at that conservatives are considered racially inauthentic if they're african-american conservatives. >> i'm confused about ben carson. he wants everyone to have this notion about the life he's what,
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pull yourself up by your boot straps, he was more, his mom was poor yet he became this incredible neurosurgeon. that's great for ben carson but that doesn't address the real issues of jobs and education and issues of so many kids growing up in urban america. he has to address those issues and not make himself the model. >> mark, i'm out of time. i wish i had more time to get your perspective. >> we hear a lot of complaints about government. when we come back, some government workers getting it right. ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment.
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tonight the sammy awards. joining me is chris lu, deputy labor secretary. honored to have you here, sir. the sammys are known as the oscars of government service. what do you think these awards will accomplish? >> don, thank you for having me. tonight is an opportunity to celebrate why we have a federal government and all the public servants doing work not only to make government better but to really transform lives. when you look at not only the winners tonight but the finalists, people curing cancer, that eradicating ebola, doing
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research on earthquakes. these are the developments changing people's lives and it's important the american people know who are about some of these accomplishments. >> washington gets a bad rap. why do you think that is? >> i think it's mostly lack of knowledge but there's people who don't like government. to all of those people who don't like government or don't know what government does, take a look at some of the winners. take a look at the people who have been nominated. it's important to recognize this great work given the anti-government rhetoric you highlighted, given the uncertainty about whether the government is going to shut down or not shut down. the work that these people are doing is changing lives. if the government agencies were not there, if they were not fully funded, this work would not happen and all of our lives would be negatively impacted. so this is really the best possible public education,
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public awareness program for why government matters. >> well, we appreciate your time. we thank you. best of luck. >> thank you so much for having me. >> that is it for us tonight. i'm see you right back here tomorrow night. "ac360" starts right now. >> good evening. thanks very much for joining us tonight. the world's too nuclear super powers coming too close for comfort over syria. they are apparently fighting two different wars, pursuing two different agendas. not just elbow to elbow today, eyeball to eyeball. barbara starr is monitoring from the pentagon. what happe

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